Credentials Meeting… The Plot Thickens
Written by Mark Harris on May 4th, 2005After doing some more digging things get very. Corrine Schwartz the Chair of the committee had no knowledge of the meeting be called until today, even though certified letters went out to all the members a few days ago for a May 31st meeting at the Crystal City Marriot. Moreover, the scheduling of the meeting for a Tuesday seems dubious as most of the members have jobs and making a weekday meeting could prove challenging.
Section 9 of the CRNC Constitution:
” (Documentation of eligibility) To be eligible for delegate votes (other than a delegate vote that my be cast by a CRNC national officer), a state federation must submit the following documentation……..”
Apparently NY, IL, and FL might have failed to file according to these guidelines so the meeting may be about throwing their delegates out. Ironically, or not, all six are pledged to Davidson.
I am trying to reach Brian Mazanec to try to get to the bottom of this, though I suspect it should be fun times had by all ::sarcasm off::
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Isn’t it great that they didn’t do this before Florida switched to Davidson? And by great I mean shady.
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michigan didnt file either. Yeah its so corrupt when they follow the rules. Come on, if they didnt follow the rules you’d be mad about that too.
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It should be obvious on the face that Florida is entitled to at least those two delegates. The chair is supposed to be representing the federation and if she didn’t submit her paperwork on time it doesn’t make sense to penalize thousands of FL College Republicans for it.
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“As far as I know, Florida is still entitled to its 2 delegates. I have not been notified of any reason why not. In any case…trust me, I’m getting my 2 votes.”
-Tom’s post on http://www.crncrealitycheck.blogspot.com/
Hoplin says, “even though my bitch Gourley has already declared victory I know this is bull shit so to protect my ass from going to jail I am going to make sure that all of davidson’s schools get thrown out. After all, as long as I have 26 states I have a national organization so to hell with everyone else. I mean damn- Sherri fucked over her own state in order to get only 2 votes but just to really twist the knife in their belly’s im going to take away their other 2 votes. Actually while I’m at it I think I will take away Ill. & NY’s votes because I dont like that Dan kid. Maybe we will give the only sellout from the south, the Georgia State Chair a few more votes and even South Dakota. After all South Dakota should get 1 vote for all 6 of there schools. Yeah that sounds good.
I’m running for Vice Chair of the Minnisota Party and I am going to tear that organization apart just like I tore apart the CRNC. After that is done i’ll go shopping for more suspenders and some french cuffs…”
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You just can’t trust Paul Gourley.
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Dan C is on top of mailing out information to every national committeeman and committeewoman and he needed more time to get this stuff in–gimme a break. I don’t know the other states scenarios, but Dan seems to have plenty of time on his hands to travel down to states to campaign for Davidson, send out mass mailers, and so forth that I’m sure he had time for this, right?
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If the states didn’t credential properly to begin with, why would the committee have given them votes at all? My guess is what happened is the committee opted to be lenient on their standards because Hoplin expected there to be no chance that Davidson would come close to Gourley. With Davidson now breathing down Gourley’s throat (whatever peoples’ numbers say, he’s closer than anyone could have expected), Hoplin is forced to act to strike now, before the convention so he doesn’t have CRs angry at him for disenfranchising them at the convention after they’ve paid to fly out.
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If you bothered to read the CRNC Constitution, you would see that all of the provisions about the number of votes only apply if credentials are submitted. In other words, no credentials = NO VOTES
If Davidson loses votes disproportionately because of this, that’s just tough luck. A good candidate should be on the phone making sure all of “his” states get their creds in on time. All you have to do to get 2 votes is submit membership information for a single club. Failure to do that is just laziness, and shows that there probably isn’t much of a federation anyway.
If the earlier version of the report allocated any votes to states who had not submitted documentation, it was wrong, and needs to be corrected at this meeting.
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Breaking News!!!!!!
Davidson TOTALLY LIED about his fundraising in California, failed to report his income as a 527, and now the IRS is beginning to look into him for breaking FEDERAL LAW!
This guy may be thrown in jail before the election even happens! His stuff makes Gourley allegations look petty!
Michael’s entire basis for running for Chairman is that he did a great job in California. Now it is clear that he has lied to his supporters and to College Republicans across the country.
Membership Declined under Davidson.
Chapters Disappeared under Davidson.
Davidson sunk THOUSANDS into a magazine and raised little for his actual organization, $8,000 according to the IRS!!!
This is the basis of his campign, he has deceived us all!!!!
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“If you bothered to read the CRNC Constitution, you would see that all of the provisions about the number of votes only apply if credentials are submitted. In other words, no credentials = NO VOTES”
OK, I don’t know all the facts involved. But assuming what you say is true, and some states did not submit the information, why did the credentials report give them votes to begin with?
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BREAKING NEWS!!!!
I HOPE DAVIDSON IS READY FOR THE SCREW JOB THAT HE’S GOING TO TAKE AT THE CREDENTIALS COMMITTEE MEETING!!!!
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What’s very interesting is that fact that Hoplin/Gourley spent so much time and money in Florida but now they want people to believe that a federation doesn’t exist there? Who is at fault, Valera (who obviously was asleep at the switch) or Hoplin/Gourley (who stole money from the elderly to dump it into places without federations)?
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WE R GOING TO FUCK DAVIDSON OVER SO BAD AT THIS CREDENTIAL MEETING!
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If you can’t run your own state, I’d prefer you didn’t have a part in deciding who runs the CRNC.
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And that has nothing to do with the Chairs that represent those states now. Take, for instance, Tom Jardon in FL. He was screwed by Hoplin loyalist Sheri Valera. Hoplin protects bad state chairs that are loyal votes for him.
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Sheri Valera didn’t submit a report b/c she knew the state would likely go Davidson is last I heard.
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Here is a more complete quote from the CRNC Constitution:
“Section Nine. [Documentation of eligibility] To be eligible for delegate votes (other than a delegate vote that may be cast by a CRNC national officer), a state federation must submit the following documentation to the designated auditing firm by certified or registered mail, postmarked no later than March 1 of the year of the Biennial Convention…”
It appears that if we are going to follow the rules, then every state (regardless of who they support for CRNC Chairman) cannot get a single vote if they did not send the information in by March 1st. Frankly I don’t see how anyone can spin this crystal clear rule.
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I would agree Mazanec, but why was this originally not the position taken by the Credentialing Board? Why did this come up only after these states FL esp swung Davidson’s way. If they go through with this I fear it will innaugurate a civil war and likely split of the CNRC.
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Why did the credentials report originally give those states votes, but not now? Was their information withdrawn?
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Civil War? Hell yeah! The last one was so much fun. Bring it, yankee invader.
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LoL Joe
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Mark,
As an actual member of the committee let me assure you that the CRNC Credentials Report has not yet been issued, only the initial report from the independent auditing firm Quinn Lobel & Associates. The meeting in Arlington will be with the official Arbiter (an independent professional hired for this purpose) who will decide on the actual delegates allotted to each state federation. Then the Credentials Committee can amend this decision with a unanimous vote. The final produce of the Arlington meeting will be the actual Credentials Committee Report.
The reason it was called earlier than 2003 is due to the contested nature of this race. It is healthier to resolve any credential issue well before the actual Convention begins so it is somewhat removed from that politicized process and that there is no immediate pressure on the Committee to rush their work.
This is a professional and objective process- regardless what the racist “truth” caucus says.
~Brian
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Brian, your post is too rational. I think any statement about credentials requires two or more references to a Hoplin conspiracy.
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You can call crnctruthcaucus a lot of things, like biased, inaccurate, and maybe even a tad crazy, but why “racist”? That’s one I’ve just never understood, and has never been explained.
Considering the remarks you made in your Beeson post about Sarah Floerke’s credentials for co-chair consideration, you’re blatantly sexist, so I would tread lightly with the name calling before the pot meets the kettle.
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No like I’ve said I agree if that is the letter of the law then let’s do it, but I do think the timing is dubious. Moreover it will likely result in the nuclear CR war we’ve all been trying to avoid.
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Could people stop using “anonymous” as their name. I don’t care if people post pseudonymously, but I’m getting a headache trying to figure out who’s who.
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from what ive heard old Danny boy faked all of New York’s credentials….new york only has about 50 schools not 88
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New York has 90 chapters. We were their 90th. Dan did not do the credentials himself. the envelope sent by hoplin to the board members came out of Brockport where the western vice Guidice lives. Dan lives in Buffalo 120mins out. I love 30 mins from here… i know. If any one should get crap it should be Guidice.
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“As an actual member of the committee let me assure you that the CRNC Credentials Report has not yet been issued, only the initial report from the independent auditing firm Quinn Lobel & Associates.”
So what criteria did the auditing firm use in the initial report if those states got votes inappropriately?
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QUOTE: “OK, I don’t know all the facts involved. But assuming what you say is true, and some states did not submit the information, why did the credentials report give them votes to begin with? ”
The report issued by the auditing firm is preliminary, not binding. They made a mistake. It is not partisan, it is life.
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