Comments on: What Disturbs Me About the Libby Pardon http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/ Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:37:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: gof http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/#comment-306393 gof Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:29:56 +0000 http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/#comment-306393 Yeah, I'm really wondering what this is going to mean to the two scumbags just convicted in my own back yard: Scrushy and Sigelman. Why won't Mr. Bush just stop talking? Yeah, I’m really wondering what this is going to mean to the two scumbags just convicted in my own back yard: Scrushy and Sigelman.

Why won’t Mr. Bush just stop talking?

]]> By: Paul Snatchko http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/#comment-306162 Paul Snatchko Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:26:12 +0000 http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/#comment-306162 Today's NYTimes had a troubling front-page story about how the Libby clemency -- and the President's arguments about how it was too harsh a sentence -- are at odds with current efforts in similar cases by the Bush Administration's own Department of Justice. The article also stated that the clemency and the President's justification for it could now be used as an argument for lighter sentences in other cases. FYI: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/04/washington/04commute.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin Today’s NYTimes had a troubling front-page story about how the Libby clemency — and the President’s arguments about how it was too harsh a sentence — are at odds with current efforts in similar cases by the Bush Administration’s own Department of Justice.

The article also stated that the clemency and the President’s justification for it could now be used as an argument for lighter sentences in other cases.

FYI:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/04/washington/04commute.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

]]> By: Mike http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/#comment-306054 Mike Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:04:43 +0000 http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/#comment-306054 I don't understand what trouble people seem to be having with this Libby issue. The guy was innocent of any crime, the jury got it wrong. Do any of you have any evidence that this is not so? It was illegal for the independent counsel to proceed with questioning against Libby as if he were in fact the subject of the investigation. Libby DID NOT perjurer himself because he could not perjurer himself. Not remembering a date when someone told you something is not solid grounds for perjury. I am no friend of the Bush administration, but do any of you care about the law or justice? And as for the worry that the public might lose faith in the court system, what the fuck planet have you been living on? The court system in this country is a bigger joke than the executive or legislative branches and everyone knows it. Honestly, open your eyes, this whole investigation and trial was a sham. Sending an innocent man to prision for it would only deepen the travesty. I don’t understand what trouble people seem to be having with this Libby issue. The guy was innocent of any crime, the jury got it wrong. Do any of you have any evidence that this is not so? It was illegal for the independent counsel to proceed with questioning against Libby as if he were in fact the subject of the investigation. Libby DID NOT perjurer himself because he could not perjurer himself. Not remembering a date when someone told you something is not solid grounds for perjury.

I am no friend of the Bush administration, but do any of you care about the law or justice?

And as for the worry that the public might lose faith in the court system, what the fuck planet have you been living on? The court system in this country is a bigger joke than the executive or legislative branches and everyone knows it.

Honestly, open your eyes, this whole investigation and trial was a sham. Sending an innocent man to prision for it would only deepen the travesty.

]]> By: Jack http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/#comment-306038 Jack Wed, 04 Jul 2007 05:15:46 +0000 http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/#comment-306038 Ryan, the president has full authority to pardon anyone for any reason except in cases of impeachment. Read the Constitution. It's not simply that we do not like the results of the Libby trial, but the investigation was fundamentally unjust. Fitzgerald knew from the start that Richard Armitage was the one who leaked Valerie Plame's name. Fitzgerald knew from the start that this leak wasn't a crime because Plame was not undercover. THAT is the real story and the real injustice that's gone on. And yet, Fitzgerald continued to investigate a crime when he knew no crime had been committed for the sole purpose of stringing up someone who remembered what happened incorrectly or did in fact lie about something that wasn't a crime. Ryan, the president has full authority to pardon anyone for any reason except in cases of impeachment. Read the Constitution.

It’s not simply that we do not like the results of the Libby trial, but the investigation was fundamentally unjust. Fitzgerald knew from the start that Richard Armitage was the one who leaked Valerie Plame’s name. Fitzgerald knew from the start that this leak wasn’t a crime because Plame was not undercover. THAT is the real story and the real injustice that’s gone on.

And yet, Fitzgerald continued to investigate a crime when he knew no crime had been committed for the sole purpose of stringing up someone who remembered what happened incorrectly or did in fact lie about something that wasn’t a crime.

]]> By: Gceres http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/#comment-306036 Gceres Wed, 04 Jul 2007 04:41:49 +0000 http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/#comment-306036 Our court system should never be mistaken for a justice system. Part of the justice system is Presidential pardons. The "court system" gave us Roe v. Wade and the Kilho decision to name two. Lest we forget the prevalence of malicious prosecutions like Nifong in the Duke rape case. So forgive me if I do not trust our courts to get it right. Anyway you slice it, the Libby prosecution though technically legal was not just and amounts to overzealous prosecution. Our court system should never be mistaken for a justice system. Part of the justice system is Presidential pardons. The “court system” gave us Roe v. Wade and the Kilho decision to name two. Lest we forget the prevalence of malicious prosecutions like Nifong in the Duke rape case. So forgive me if I do not trust our courts to get it right.

Anyway you slice it, the Libby prosecution though technically legal was not just and amounts to overzealous prosecution.

]]> By: Ryan http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/#comment-306025 Ryan Wed, 04 Jul 2007 02:33:09 +0000 http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/#comment-306025 Honestly, the reason Hillary can be elected is that the Republicans failed to reign Bush in a long time ago. Nobody ever wanted to stand up to Bush except a few until this year. If the Republicans would have made Bush be rational a long time ago, we would not be having these problems. Honestly, the reason Hillary can be elected is that the Republicans failed to reign Bush in a long time ago.

Nobody ever wanted to stand up to Bush except a few until this year. If the Republicans would have made Bush be rational a long time ago, we would not be having these problems.

]]> By: Joel http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/#comment-306020 Joel Wed, 04 Jul 2007 01:16:24 +0000 http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/#comment-306020 Sam, please be precise in your language. Bush did not pardon Libby, he commuted part of the sentence. There is a significant difference. The reality is that Bush is hoping for the legal system to work itself out. My understanding is that Libby actually has some very valid grounds for appealing of his conviction. Had the court decided to wait on sending Libby to jail until his appeals were exhausted this would not be an issue. The speed that Bush used was due strictly to the fact that based on the Appellate Court decision, Libby could have been sent to jail at any time, so he had to act quickly. The border guards are a completely different issue. Sam, please be precise in your language. Bush did not pardon Libby, he commuted part of the sentence. There is a significant difference.

The reality is that Bush is hoping for the legal system to work itself out. My understanding is that Libby actually has some very valid grounds for appealing of his conviction. Had the court decided to wait on sending Libby to jail until his appeals were exhausted this would not be an issue. The speed that Bush used was due strictly to the fact that based on the Appellate Court decision, Libby could have been sent to jail at any time, so he had to act quickly.

The border guards are a completely different issue.

]]> By: gof http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/#comment-306011 gof Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:32:45 +0000 http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/#comment-306011 Partisan support overruling consideration of the will of the pople and the rule of law; this is what every liberal on the planet is already calling this. The clarion call of "CRONYISM" is already echoing in the spin machines. This is a big part of why I am desperately afraid we will loose the next election. People didn't vote Democrat in the last election, they voted anti-Republican. Bush's actions and the rank and file partisanism of supporting it are all but shoving people into voting anti-Republican again. The thought of four years of Hillary or Obama genuinely chills my blood. The thought of one of them coming into power with a decisive majority (based on an anti-Republican vote) is, I fear, where we are headed. Hillary running things is scary. Hillary running things with a mandate is terrifying. Partisan support overruling consideration of the will of the pople and the rule of law; this is what every liberal on the planet is already calling this. The clarion call of “CRONYISM” is already echoing in the spin machines.

This is a big part of why I am desperately afraid we will loose the next election.

People didn’t vote Democrat in the last election, they voted anti-Republican.

Bush’s actions and the rank and file partisanism of supporting it are all but shoving people into voting anti-Republican again.

The thought of four years of Hillary or Obama genuinely chills my blood. The thought of one of them coming into power with a decisive majority (based on an anti-Republican vote) is, I fear, where we are headed.

Hillary running things is scary. Hillary running things with a mandate is terrifying.

]]> By: Joe King http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/#comment-306008 Joe King Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:26:04 +0000 http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/#comment-306008 libby broke the law, plain and simple and he should have paid. 30 months was excessive but i think 6 - 12 should have been given. libby broke the law, plain and simple and he should have paid. 30 months was excessive but i think 6 - 12 should have been given.

]]> By: Ryan http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/#comment-306004 Ryan Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:14:16 +0000 http://www.savethegop.com/2007/07/03/what-disturbs-me-about-the-libby-pardon/#comment-306004 I cannot believe so many people here are defending Libby. He was convicted of a crime in a federal court established through constitutional means. You can dispute the rational for the case, but he was convicted. If people start declaring cases political witch hunts because they dislike what is happening, then won't the public lose faith in our justice system like they have lost faith in the executive and legislative branch. I do not think there should have been an investigation in this case, but there was and Libby engaged in crimes during its investigation. He should receive his punishment handed down by a jury of his peers. I cannot believe so many people here are defending Libby. He was convicted of a crime in a federal court established through constitutional means. You can dispute the rational for the case, but he was convicted.

If people start declaring cases political witch hunts because they dislike what is happening, then won’t the public lose faith in our justice system like they have lost faith in the executive and legislative branch.

I do not think there should have been an investigation in this case, but there was and Libby engaged in crimes during its investigation. He should receive his punishment handed down by a jury of his peers.

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