Cunningham In His Own Words
Written by YellowJacket on February 27th, 2008This is a better clip fleshing out what Cunningham said, skip ahead slightly to the interview (around 1:22) between the anchors and Cunningham. He is very right in his insistence on standing behind what he said.
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This guy… a Hate radio host, is what the people of this country are sick of. He and his ilk… like Limbaugh, Coulter and Hannity are exactly what are dividing us as a nation. They are at the core of the demise of the Republican Party. Our Country is moving more and more to the center, and if the GOP wants to remain formidable they need to reject these types of commentators. Exactly like John McCain did… I for one, applaud McCain.
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If the GOP wants to remain formidable, it might want to try actually nominating and acting like conservatives.
Give me a break, this tired old line of “we need to be more moderate” never works. Conservative candidates that excite everyone, including converts who see the conservative message explained to them in a way they haven’t seen before, win elections much more than moderates who offer a I’m-for-big-government-just-less-than-the-Democrat platform.
So we should push for a party for bigger government, and a party for even bigger government? Where does that lead us, and how far are you willing to go?
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Well, here in Florida, we just had a special election in Brevard Co. to replace Rep. Bob Allen. And for the first time in 5 decades a Democrat won that seat. And in Pinellas Co. all the State, Local and Federal seats up for election in Nov. Have Democrats leading in
the polls by double digits. They have not had a presence in that Co. for 50 years. Also, Palm Beach Co. Where Sen. Atwater (the next designated president of the FL Senate) is in a fight for his political life, against a very popular Democrat,Walter “Skip” Campbell. There has been a total pick up in the last 2 years of 9 seats for Dems in the House alone and expect another 6 or more this election cycle. Charlie Crist is as moderate a candidate as you can get, he beat Tom Gallagher ( the choice of the Conservatives and Jeb Bush,) by 30+ percentage pt. in the 2006.
And look at McCain… He won Florida by double digits on January 29th. I can only speak for the atmosphere here in the sunshine state. But, if the rest of the country is anything like Florida, the conserative wing of the GOP is in BIG TROUBLE!
People are Mad as Hell, they want to see bi-partisan support for issues that effect their daily lives. Not the social issues that are used to divide us and certainly not the Hate Filled Rancor.
The sooner the Republicans “GET IT” the sooner the GOP can start to heal.
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Sorry about the double post, but this site would not let me delete or save my changes. Oh well.
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I deleted one of them, no problem.
Thankfully the awkward yankee-immigrant state of Florida (and I don’t mean that in a negative way, I was born in Tampa) is not reflective of the GOP’s base as a whole.
I’ll ask you again, are you demanding a left and center-left party system? What’s the point? “Bipartisanship” in your argument is simply a code word for that. You don’t want liberals and conservatives to be able to craft some legislation together, you want liberals and liberal-lites to draft liberal legislation.
Sorry, not the cup of tea for this conservative and many others.
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Actually, let me amend my previous comment. One could argue against me that the GOP’s base is more “moderate” than conservative, seeing as the GOP is nominating John McCain.
My argument, as I’ve stated before, is this was due to the very crowded field and basically a fluke that was aided and abetted by the monster of the “inevitable candidate” meme. Note that McCain garnered less votes and less percentage in South Carolina this time around, and won the state, than his previous attempt when he lost the state primary to then-Gov. Bush. Factor in the heavy military personnel presence in the state helping to carry McCain to victory (barely, essentially getting about a third of the votes) and there you have it.
My argument is one of ideas - conservative versus “moderate.” Like I said, you don’t want bipartisanship between a liberal and a conservative party. You want deals worked out between far-left liberals (the Dems are moving even more left, by nominating the most liberal Senator in 2004 and looking to do so again this time, which apparently you have no problem with) and liberal-lites.
You’re a liberal, I get it. But don’t falsely claim you want “bipartisanship” when you really don’t, you just want both parties to move left.
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What is with the LIBERAL label? I am sorry, but that that attack no longer works with the voters. At least not the majority of voters. It only makes those spewing it look bad. Look at all of the Republicans in 2006 that basically ran their campaigns on attacking their opponent as LIBERAL. How did they do come Election Day? I’ll tell you they got their rear ends handed to them on a platter. For instance… Look at Katherine Harris. All she did was attack Sen. Bill Nelson (D) Florida as a Liberal. Nelson won the election by close to 40 percentage pts. And Katherine Harris was the sweetheart of the Conservative Base in Florida.
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I’m not attacking you.
I’m simply pointing out that you do not want bipartisanship, you want liberalism. You don’t want two different political parties; rather, you want the GOP to move left and have no problem (which I see as an endorsement) with the Democrats moving further to the left.
You want to debate conservative vs. liberal ideas, I’m game. I relish a civil debate. But don’t dress up your desire for liberal policy as a desire for bipartisanship.
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I am telling you that the American people are fed up with BOTH parties. And Both parties need to move to the center, which I believe they both have been doing for some time now. 2006 was a referendum on incumbents! 2008 will be an even bigger referendum on any politician too Left or too Right!
Also, why do keep referring to me as a Liberal. I am not a Liberal, I am a PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT.
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Progressive, Liberal, please, give me a break. You have to substitute the word “progressive” because “liberal” rightly has a bad connotation. Why? Liberal policies don’t really work. Oops, better change the name.
They are both moving to the center? Please, don’t insult me by making such ridiculous claims and expecting me to buy them. The Democratic Party is clearly moving left. I’ll repeat what I just said: The Democrats nominated the most liberal Senator, John F’in Kerry of Taxachusetts, in 2004; and they are looking to nominate the current most liberal Senator, Barack Hussein Obama of Illinois, this election cycle.
How in the world is the Democratic party “moving to the center”?
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So, are you saying that all Democrats are considered a Liberal?
That’s like saying that all Republicans are fans of Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity.
Why paint everyone in either party to, those that YOU choose to put a label on.
And if you don’t think the the Conservative wing of the GOP is in Big Trouble. You are in total denial… However, I think you will be getting a wake up call in Nov. 2008!
How many members of the GOP in Congress have jumped ship thus far since 2006? Because, they don’t want to be embarassed by getting their butts kicked.
I remember all of you on this site… posting how the Dems would not take eithe house of Congress.
Believe what you want Langley. You were wrong in 06′ and you will be wrong in 08′.
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I’m not in denial of anything, trust me. I can’t stand McCain and the party and those in the party who voted for him (unfortunately, being enough to give him the nod in the crowded field we had) and I’m not going to support him. If the country is going to go to statists, by all means do it under the Democratic party, not Republican.
The members of the GOP jumping ship is a GOOD thing. It’s called “sharpening the blade” - getting rid of the political hacks and making the caucus smaller in the short run, with hopes to build it up with more conservative statesmen in the future.
For the record, I thought the Dems would take the House but not the Senate. Was I incorrect? Uh, sure. That doesn’t make anything I’ve said in this argument somehow inaccurate. You’re a liberal (oh sorry - “progressive), why would I expect you to understand how I feel about my side of the aisle anyway? Maybe I’m wasting my time trying to explain it to you.
You still haven’t explained to me how the Democratic Party is somehow becoming more centrist since they nominated John Kerry last time and look like they are going to nominate Barry Obama this time. All you did was make some nonsensical argument about Coulter, Limbaugh, and Hannity which doesn’t relate to anything in this argument.
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Just a note on the quality of Langley’s predictions. Last fall, he lamented that the media wasn’t treating “Die Hard 2″ actor Fred Thompson as a “top tier” candidate, and that it was really a three-man race between Giuliani, Thompson and Romney. Two of his three “top tier” candidates couldn’t pull off a single state.
Also in his infinite wisdom, he attuned himself to the spirits and decided that the media should stop regarding John McCain as a “top tier” candidate.
The conservative wing of the Republican party is on its way out. They’ll be as marginal as Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich in 10 more years.
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Dude, at the time Thompson was a top tier candidate, so I’m not sure what your complaint is. He finished 3rd in the first caucus. He certainly got more delegates than Giuliani, the media-anointed “inevitable candidate” at the time.
I fail to see how my complaining of media coverage of the primaries is somehow me attempting to look into a crystal ball or something. What, are all the Hillary fans who are correctly criticizing the media for their borderline insane treatment of Barack Obama as the messiah making “bad quality predictions” or something?
Last fall John McCain sucked in the polls. I’m trying hard not to swear at you here, because you equate my timely reporting and analysis with me attempting to play ouiji board or something.
Quit projecting your love of predicting this or that (”The conservative wing of the party is on its way out” etc) onto me or others. Nobody else here but you claims that they have infinite wisdom and can tell you anything about everything. I (and others) provide my analysis and opinion of the news AS IT HAPPENS. Give me a break.
Seriously, Publius, if you want to attempt to create controversy out of nothing like you are here, then please just leave like you’ve threatened to do so many times. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
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Langley,
The point is… that McCain is the nominee,because the GOP is moving more to the center and the conservatives are fading in their significance.
People are mad a hell in this country… and they are mad at the George W. Bush and the neo-conservatives.
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I can tell by your comment that you don’t fully understand just what neo-conservatism means.
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Wasn’t the post about a Hate Radio idiot… that
drives the neo-conservative agenda?
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Wow, you surely are confused.
So you’re saying that neocon=conservative=Bush=bad.
And McCain=centrist=good.
Like I said, you better figure out just what “neoconservatism” is, how each of these men fit into it, whether or not it is truly conservatism, and what this all means for your backwards argument.
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No… YOU need to figure out what neo conservatism is. Look in the Mirror!
The Christian Conservatives… without even realizing it, helped to put the Neo Conservatives in power. Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rummy, Condi, etc. They planned the War in Iraq prior to taking office. And… Have literally turned this nation into a Fascist Govt. 9/11 gave them the platform to go to War, Trample on our Freedom of Speech, Spy on Americans in the US via our email and phone conversations, enrich their Corporate friends, do away with Habeas Corpus, commit Torture, Secret CIA Prisons, Out a Cover CIA agent, etc., ect., etc.
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I’m not continuing this conversation unless you want to have an actual rational debate.
What’s so hilarious here is that you praise McCain for being a centrist and say that the GOP is moving away from being conservative (which I assume you lump with Bush, Condi, etc.) when Sen. McCain was a huge fan of the bill authorizing the Iraqi invasion in the Senate, and had this to say: “United States needs to move before Saddam can develop a more advanced arsenal.”
And, also the fact that you are taking up the whole Bush = evil, McCain = good meme when they are both pretty centrist Republicans, they are just liberal in different areas (and sometimes the same ones, see illegal immigration). The one thing they both agree on, which you apparently think Bush has created a fascist government out of, is the War on Terror! Man, you need to get your priorities straight.
But like I said, this will be my last comment on this thread if you want to continue the nonsense in your comment 19.
I’ll tell you again - learn what a “neoconservative” actually is.
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PS. Here’s a hint: I am not a neo-conservative.
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No you are the Sheep, that feed the Neo Conservtive.
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Is Tallytowngal actually Al Franken? Seems about right, lol.
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Don’t be so hard on Tallytowngirl. If I lived in that dump, I’d be confused and irrational too.
I love how libs throw around the term “neo-con” as some sort of pejorative without even knowing what the hell it means. It really epitomizes how empty so many of their arguments are.
Tallytowngirl- Tell me who Irving Kristol is and what he did. And DON’T look it up. I want to see if you REALLY know what it means.
Oh, and you libs can call yourself “progressive” all you want, but as far as I’m concerned, Teddy Roosevelt laid claim to that title long ago. And you’re no TR.
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What did Langley call up his buddies to come and save him from the mean Democrat Lady. What a WHINNER. You all need to commit to what the site is set up for… To Save the GOP. And, my initial post was that these Hate Radio Hosts are part of the problem, as far as the GOP’s image. You don’t have to believe it if you don’t want to. But people are sick and tired of this kind of discourse and are turning off to the Republican Party, because of it, and GW Bush, etc. It was evident in 2006 and baby hold on to your hats. Because 2008 is going to be much, much worse, for the GOP. The DSCC and the DCCC are out raising the RSCC and RCCC by three times the amount of contributions.
And for the record you are the ones that are giving the power to the Neo Cons. You the Christian Conservatives. You elected them!
I assume that it is ok with you for our Govt. to spy on its own citizens without obtaing a warrant?
Lying about the reasons for invading a country that did nothing to us so that Halliburton could get the war contracts. How many times did this Administration change its reasons for invading Iraq….. was it 5 or 6?
The economy is in the Pits… US Dollar has fallen to its lowest value ever against the Euro, Yen, etc… hell even the Canadian Dollar is worth more than the US Dollar. And the Economy woes are directly tied to the War in Iraq.
GET A CLUE,
PEOPLE ARE MAD AS HELL!
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For someone who calls me a WHINER, you sure do whine a lot.
You still haven’t shown that you know what neoconservative means. And, I love how “Christian Conservative” is somehow equal to neoconservative and also a pejorative term to you.
Of course the Dems are outraising the GOP. The GOP’s base is fed up with the GOP being a Dem-lite party. The administration of President Bush expanded the Federal Government more than LBJ with liberal domestic programs such as Medicare Part D and No Child Left Behind, and has ignored the security of the country as far as border security is concerned. Hell, you should be a fan of the administration!
“Spying on Americans without a warrant.” What, you mean listening to phone calls that are between numbers in the U.S. and FOREIGN people that have been identified as terrorist supporters or sympathizers? You do know that is the scope of the whole “spying” thing, right? Or do you just assume, like most liberals who don’t do their homework, that the “fascist” Bush government is spying on everybody in America?
If you had a basic understanding of economics you would know that there are upsides and downsides to the weakening of the U.S. dollar. With a cheaper dollar, more people buy American goods because they are cheaper. I’m not saying I am a fan of a weakening dollar, but it’s not a doom-and-gloom-we’re-going-to-hell situation like you and other liberals claim.
You do know that in the early 1990’s Al Gore was on TV blasting then-President Bush for not being aggressive enough with Iraq and leaving the country without regime change, right? And regime change in Iraq became official U.S. policy under President Clinton in 1998, who also took some military action against the regime. And Senator Clinton, Senator Kerry, and a whole host of other Democrats in D.C. echoed the same sentiments about Saddam in the run-up to the war and supported the invasion. The Democrats were all about war in Iraq until it became politically advantageous to bash the Administration because things weren’t going as well as planned. Give me a break.
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Damn Langley, you are going to town on this one.
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Thanks, and I wrote the most recent one kinda hungover.
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Lol, the natives sure are restless these days when you say something they don’t like.
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Yeah, they love to project their anger and nuttiness onto us rational, clear-thinking folk when we explain to them how contradictive their arguments are. Apparently contradictive isn’t a word according to spellcheck, but it should be.
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Hahaha…I feel so sorry for you guys. It must really be embarrassing to be a Conservative Republican these days. And have to have the Big Mouth Hate Radio Hosts speaking for you. You know the ones, with the “family values” you Christians are always touting…. Like Rush “viaga popping, oxy cotton addicted, prostitute buying” Limbaugh, or Ann “chop it up so I can snort it, lets kill all the Democrats” Coulter. Hahaha… you guys are the laughing stock of this country. You were USED by Bush & Co. and by these Haters.
Spin it however you want but… The Republicans own this war with Iraq! And our failing Economy!
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“The Republicans own this war with Iraq.”
Amazing, considering how I just told you regime change became policy under a Democratic administration and a litany of other facts that refute your statement. Do you just ignore the truth, or are you just illiterate?
I feel sorry for people like you who can’t have a rational policy debate without throwing out insults and completely unrelated feel-good semantic statements about “Hate” radio hosts etc.
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You are full of DUNG Langley. This is Bush and Cheney’s war and the Hawks that planned this, since before the inauguration. You need to turn off the Hate Radio and learn the Truth. You have been being lied to. And you bought it hook line and sinker.
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HHAHAHA. Are you serious? Is this a parody?
Man, you can’t pay for entertainment like this. The sheer ability to read the truth then ignore it just amazes me.
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Who went to Congress to get the Authorization, so he could invade Iraq?
Who was feeding the trumped up and cherry picked intelligence, to Congress?
Who… In his State of the Union address, told the American people, that Iraq was trying to obtain uranium from Niger to build a Nuclear weapon?
Whose Secretary of State went to Congress and stated, that there would be “Mushroom Cloud” over a major US city, if we did not act immediately?
NO SIR… This is not the Democrats war.
THIS IS GEORGE W. BUSH AND THE REPUBLICANS WAR!
Are you really that dense?
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Boy that was fun, wish I had some popcorn.
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I know right?!? Popcorn would be great.
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Still waiting for that answer on Irving Kristol, Tallytown. Any answers????