Comments on: Virginia Legislature Votes to Cut Off Planned Parenthood Funding http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/ Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:16:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Ron http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/#comment-337098 Ron Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:37:28 +0000 http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/#comment-337098 What a great marketing plan Planned Parenthood has! They get paid through government funds and for billable services for providing "safe sex education" and contraceptives to our youth through Title X funds and medicaid, and when those do not work, they provide the abortions at an average of $400 each because their "preventative" measures didn't work. What a great business! How can an organization that has increased the number of abortions each year (255,000 in 2007) and end more babies lives than any other abortion provider say they are for "reducing abortions." We as tax payers provided $305 million last year to Planned Parenthood and they made a profit of $55 Million during that same time frame. PP is trying to reduce the number of abortions? NOT A CHANCE! They make too much money doing them. What a great marketing plan Planned Parenthood has! They get paid through government funds and for billable services for providing “safe sex education” and contraceptives to our youth through Title X funds and medicaid, and when those do not work, they provide the abortions at an average of $400 each because their “preventative” measures didn’t work. What a great business! How can an organization that has increased the number of abortions each year (255,000 in 2007) and end more babies lives than any other abortion provider say they are for “reducing abortions.” We as tax payers provided $305 million last year to Planned Parenthood and they made a profit of $55 Million during that same time frame. PP is trying to reduce the number of abortions? NOT A CHANCE! They make too much money doing them.

]]> By: becky http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/#comment-335933 becky Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:27:21 +0000 http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/#comment-335933 Michael: I can appreciate the worry about causing suffering. But most abortions are performed very early on in a pregnancy (I'm sure I've quoted statistics before on this: but Planned Parenthood & the Guttmacher track such numbers if you're interested). And this seems like another case of overblown emotional appeals. Not to be flippant (I didn't watch the video), but I would imagine that watching a woman give birth is just as excruciatingly painful to see. Or for that matter, any surgery. I guess what I'm trying to ask in a really convoluted way, is why we should respond to *this* show of suffering, but not a woman suffering from an unwanted pregnancy. Because for every gruesome picture of an aborted fetus that the anti-choicers come up with, the pro-choicers have the equivalent in pictures of women dying from back alley abortions. Michael:

I can appreciate the worry about causing suffering. But most abortions are performed very early on in a pregnancy (I’m sure I’ve quoted statistics before on this: but Planned Parenthood & the Guttmacher track such numbers if you’re interested). And this seems like another case of overblown emotional appeals. Not to be flippant (I didn’t watch the video), but I would imagine that watching a woman give birth is just as excruciatingly painful to see. Or for that matter, any surgery. I guess what I’m trying to ask in a really convoluted way, is why we should respond to *this* show of suffering, but not a woman suffering from an unwanted pregnancy. Because for every gruesome picture of an aborted fetus that the anti-choicers come up with, the pro-choicers have the equivalent in pictures of women dying from back alley abortions.

]]> By: Publius http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/#comment-335932 Publius Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:06:04 +0000 http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/#comment-335932 I can think of another example! Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity routinely say that people who criticize the conduct of the war in Iraq are giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Now, that hurts right here ::pointing to broken heart:: I can think of another example! Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity routinely say that people who criticize the conduct of the war in Iraq are giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

Now, that hurts right here ::pointing to broken heart::

]]> By: Michael C http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/#comment-335928 Michael C Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:47:30 +0000 http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/#comment-335928 Yeah, we usually leave the emotionally charged language to you guys on the left. Think of it as us reaching out to you. As for stats, Publius made the argument he needs to defend it. If you really think a baby is just a fetus, or just a bunch of cells, I challenge you to visit http://www.silentscream.org/. Watch the video and then come back here and tell me you feel the same way. Yeah, we usually leave the emotionally charged language to you guys on the left. Think of it as us reaching out to you.

As for stats, Publius made the argument he needs to defend it.

If you really think a baby is just a fetus, or just a bunch of cells, I challenge you to visit http://www.silentscream.org/. Watch the video and then come back here and tell me you feel the same way.

]]> By: DavidShiffman http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/#comment-335926 DavidShiffman Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:25:30 +0000 http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/#comment-335926 As a liberal critical of conservatives, I really can't think of another example of conservatives using such emotionally loaded and damaging terminology. As a liberal critical of conservatives, I really can’t think of another example of conservatives using such emotionally loaded and damaging terminology.

]]> By: Langley http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/#comment-335925 Langley Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:02:55 +0000 http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/#comment-335925 I agree with the notion that using terminology of "baby murder" etc. is damaging and does nothing to help the pro-life movement. It is emotionally loaded rhetoric that is usually used by liberals and I have no use for it. I agree with the notion that using terminology of “baby murder” etc. is damaging and does nothing to help the pro-life movement. It is emotionally loaded rhetoric that is usually used by liberals and I have no use for it.

]]> By: DavidShiffman http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/#comment-335919 DavidShiffman Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:10:57 +0000 http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/#comment-335919 Also, even if one side is favored by "more" people, it is important to realize that both sides have significant numbers. The "more people agree with me" argument is silly, both sides have tens of millions of supporters. Also, even if one side is favored by “more” people, it is important to realize that both sides have significant numbers. The “more people agree with me” argument is silly, both sides have tens of millions of supporters.

]]> By: DavidShiffman http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/#comment-335917 DavidShiffman Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:58:43 +0000 http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/#comment-335917 Michael, I'm assuming from your response that A) You are saying that Publius, not me, is the one engaging in personal attacks. I hope that you don't think expecting the same standards from you that you expect from others is a personal attack. B) You are choosing to not provide statistics to say that most people believe a recently-conceived fetus to be a human life. Again, as you said to Becky, "maybe this is true of most of the people you hang out with"- I don't doubt that. Michael, I’m assuming from your response that
A) You are saying that Publius, not me, is the one engaging in personal attacks. I hope that you don’t think expecting the same standards from you that you expect from others is a personal attack.

B) You are choosing to not provide statistics to say that most people believe a recently-conceived fetus to be a human life. Again, as you said to Becky, “maybe this is true of most of the people you hang out with”- I don’t doubt that.

]]> By: Michael C http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/#comment-335911 Michael C Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:44:55 +0000 http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/#comment-335911 Personal attacks again. Just couldn't help yourself could you Publius? Personal attacks again. Just couldn’t help yourself could you Publius?

]]> By: DavidShiffman http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/#comment-335910 DavidShiffman Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:43:26 +0000 http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/virginia-legislature-votes-to-cut-off-planned-parenthood-funding/#comment-335910 Michael, do YOU have stats to say that "most people" believe a recently-conceived fetus to be a human life? Michael, do YOU have stats to say that “most people” believe a recently-conceived fetus to be a human life?

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