McCain, Obama Tied in Massachusetts
Written by Sam on April 23rd, 2008The last Republican to win Massachusetts? Ronald Reagan. The last Republican before that? Dwight Eisenhower. Even George McGovern managed to carry Massachusetts in 1972, the one Democratic holdout in Richard Nixon’s 49-state landslide.Replace “McGovern” with “MoveOn.org” and you’ve seized the essence of the Obama candidacy. He’s the most liberal U.S. senator, advocating tax increases on the “wealthy” and enjoying the support of Gov. Deval Patrick, Sen. Ted Kennedy, The Boston Globe-Democrat and every 9/11 conspiracy kook in the People’s Republic of Cambridge. He’s got all the players in Massachusetts behind him except the ones who actually vote.
While Hillary Clinton soundly beats McCain in Massachusetts in the new SurveyUSA poll, 56 percent to 41 percent, the Obama/McCain number is 48 percent to 46 percent, well within the margin of error.
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Spectacular image to go along with this article, Sam. Well played.
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This also might be the only state in the union where Hillary does better than Obama… I have been predicting a repeat of Reagan’s sweep should McCain go up against Hillary.
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If Hillary pulls this off, you might be right. The Democratic Party will implode if the super delegates give this to Hillary despite Obama winning the popular vote. Ironically that is what super delegates were created to do. Save the party from themselves.
I hope and pray it happens for 2 reasons. First, gone will be the claims Bush stole the 2000 election. Its hard to make the argument when you have done it yourself. Irony. Second and most important, I hope it will break up the the African-American voting block. It will take something huge like this to break the Democratic stranglehold.
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“The Democratic Party will implode if the super delegates give this to Hillary despite Obama winning the popular vote”
Totally true, and I’ll be helping with the implosion. I don’t really like either candidate that much, but to go against the will of the voters so blatantly is absurd.
“First, gone will be the claims Bush stole the 2000 election. Its hard to make the argument when you have done it yourself.”
I note that you aren’t denying that this happened, but simply saying that the Democrats now may do it, too. I agree that the Republicans have no monopoly on corruption.
However, there is a huge difference between this happening in a primary and in the general election. In one case, if Hillary is granted the Democratic nomination by the superdelegates overturning the will of the people, she won’t ever have any actual power because she will be crushed by McCain in November. In the other case, Bush got more power than almost any other American President in history.
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David, are you seriously trotting this out again? “I note that you aren’t denying that this happened…’
He said, “gone will be the claims…” So I think it’s pretty clear that he doesn’t believe that a theft actually happened.
Maybe Michael C didn’t explicitly explain that he found the claims baseless because at this point in the American political dialogue it’s a done issue, and anybody who cared to pay attention would know that Bush didn’t “steal” anything. When an independent counting of the ballots is done by a ring of liberal newspapers after the election including the NYT, and they even say that Bush won Florida, your argument is kaput.
Now, if you’re arguing that since Bush didn’t win the popular vote he “stole” the election, that dog won’t hunt with me either. You can whine about the Electoral College, and call it unfair if you wish, but don’t say that a President “stole” an election under the election procedure we have in place in the Constitution. Advocate for changing it all you want, but don’t give me this hogwash that Bush stole an election because the Electoral College is as of right now completely legitimate in our presidential election system.
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To paraphrase the Principal from Billy Madison:
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David I poke fun, because normally you give thoughtful, albeit mostly wrong, comments on this blog. This time you jumped the shark into liberal conspiratorial moonbatery. You can not change the rules of the game after it is played,.
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Again the problem is the lack of tone- I was attempting to be snarky and not serious. while I wish that Bush hadn’t won in 2000, I don’t believe that he stole anything.
However, my point remains the same- accusations of manipulating a primary vote against the will of the people are different form accusations of manipulating the general election.
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“David I poke fun, because normally you give thoughtful, albeit mostly wrong, comments on this blog. ”
Thanks, I appreciate that, Michael. I can tell the difference between the occasional teasing interspersed between respectful debate and the constant ridiculous name-calling that certain others on this blog utilize.
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This reminds me of a poll I recently saw from New York where McCain was up on Obama by 2.
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I find it funny how it’s a “done issue” and irrelevant when your guy won. When Hayes stole an election in 1876 (under far less suspicious circumstances), the fact that he was an illegitimate leader pervaded his entire term, as well it should have. One of the biggest mistakes the Democrats ever made was to cede moral defeat on this matter. They should have relentlessly pounded the fact that the election was stolen into people’s minds uninterrupted for four years.
Langley’s point about the ballot-counting after the fact is moot; the process was hijacked in an illegitimate way. The fact that it may or may not have reached the same outcome via a legitimate process is irrelevant.
You can take it to the bank that I’m better-informed than anyone else on this blog about the matter. Being a FL native, I was very upset by the outcome, and for several years read everything I could on the topic (from many perspectives). One thing is clear: more people showed up on election day intending to vote for Gore in FL. I could detail 100 ways that poor circumstances and deliberate disenfranchisement cost him thousands of recorded votes relative to his actual total.
But, none of that matters. The fundamental problem is that the case never belonged in federal court to begin with. The equal protection argument that the supreme court cooked up was the most bogus and asinine rationale imaginable to achieve a political end; I can refer anyone interested to several detailed analyses.
The democratic party should never have squandered away the momentum they had to cast Bush as an illegitimate thief for his whole term.
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All I read in that was bla bla bla, my guy didn’t win, bla bla bla, I’m smarter than all of you, bla bla bla, BusHitler stole the election, bla bla bla, whine.
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Excellent — every time you bring up anything that happened more than 6 years ago, I’m going to give you the same incredibly mature answer.
Are you really uninterested in having a serious discussion about anything that happened more than 6 years ago? Some student of history you are! I guess I shouldn’t have expected much more from an “international relations” major (Can you say Bulls*!t degree?)
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First of all, I am getting B.S. in Economics & International Affairs at a great school, the Georgia Institute of Technology. If you want to be able to pull out our personal records in an attempt to humiliate us, at least do it properly.
Second of all, if you want to question my maturity on the issue of the 2000 election, I really have nothing to say to you based on your previous rambling about it.