24 Responses for "McCain Hasn’t Even Seen the Ad!"

1. Ryan April 27th, 2008 at 5:24 pm 1

   Can we all stop hyperventilating over this ad? It is a stupid and borderline offensive ad to anyone with an ounce of intelligence. Is the NC GOP in this bad of shape that they have to attack Democratic candidates for governor by trying to tie them to the pastor of another candidate for another office? Seems more and more desperate as the days pass.

2. Langley April 27th, 2008 at 6:59 pm 2

   You see Ryan, you see the ad as being offensive (for what reason I have no clue). I see Jeremiah Wright and Barack Obama’s association as offensive, and most Americans would probably agree with me.

   You can whine about political correctness and insinuate whatever you want the ad to represent even though it simply points out facts. To most people it’s a common sense ad.

3. chemistrydave April 27th, 2008 at 8:24 pm 3

   Its not offensive to me either, I guess I dont have an ounce of sense. Damn.

4. Publius April 28th, 2008 at 12:39 pm 4

   Regardless of whether the ad is accurate, the fact remains that it is an ad hominem attack rather than an issue-oriented attack — and one that casts a person as guilty by association three degrees away at that!

   The people on this website have yet to acknowledge their own blatant hypocrisy in this matter. What if I find it “offensive” that Fred Thompson knocked up his high school girlfriend, divorced her and then married a half-dressed bimbo? Would you have not complained if the media talked about this ad nauseam for weeks on end?

   Again, I suppose running on issues rather than racist insinuations made by associations three degrees away is only something that Democrats need to do.

5. Mike April 28th, 2008 at 12:41 pm 5

   “Can we all stop hyperventilating over this ad? It is a stupid and borderline offensive ad to anyone with an ounce of intelligence.”

   In your opinion of course. To whom is the ad offensive (other than yourself) and why?

6. Publius April 28th, 2008 at 12:47 pm 6

   As another point of blatant hypocrisy, consider this post:

   http://www.savethegop.com/2008/02/29/drudge-owes-harry-and-his-unit-an-apology/

   Simultaneously, the people on this blog are toadies of Michelle Malkin, quoting her and linking her page.

   Recall that it was Michelle Malkin who posted the home addresses and phone numbers of war protesters on her site, who then received death threats from her redneck gun-toting fan base.

   Again, I suppose revealing personal information that threatens people’s safety is alright if one is a Republican targeting Democrats.

   It’s not so much that I mind that these guys are partisan hacks, but I get the impression that they actually have some mental block from assessing information objectively and realizing that they are. They can’t even abstract outside of their own opinion sphere sufficiently to realize when they’re being hypocrites.

7. chemistrydave April 28th, 2008 at 1:21 pm 7

   How is it racist to point out that someone is endorsing a black guy?

8. Publius April 28th, 2008 at 2:08 pm 8

   Why is Obama guilty by proxy because of something that was said in his church? If the cleric and your church says something outrageous, this becomes your fault? Are all Catholics guilty by proxy of cihld molestation because they attend a church that whitewashed over child molestation for decades?

   This hypocrisy is unbelievable — Say the pastor of an evangelical church attended by one of your movement conservative candidates made homophobic comments. You would be up in arms if the media railroaded him about this for weeks on end.

9. chemistrydave April 28th, 2008 at 3:13 pm 9

   It might be a stupid comparison, but it is not racist.

10. DavidShiffman April 28th, 2008 at 4:07 pm 10

    “It might be a stupid comparison, but it is not racist.”

    True enough.

11. Publius April 28th, 2008 at 4:08 pm 11

    Well, the notorious Harold Ford ad wasn’t explicitly racist either, but it certainly had overtones.

    I think that scaring people about blacks who hate whites (and I’m sure the comment was out of context) certainly has to be considered in cultural context.

12. Ryan April 28th, 2008 at 5:02 pm 12

    See I find the ad offensive to the average voter because someone in the NC GOP is trying to tie Democratic governor candidates to the pastor of a potential Democratic presidential candidate. That is even pushing guilt by association to an extreme.

    What Obama’s pastor said is offensive to say the least, but it is pretty offensive that the NC GOP believes that some of the people in North Carolina will buy this crap trying to link other candidates with the pastor of another candidate for another office. Attack Obama for his choice of pastor, but do not attack people for such indirect relations.

13. chemistrydave April 28th, 2008 at 5:10 pm 13

    They endorsed Obama, that is a connection.

14. DavidShiffman April 28th, 2008 at 6:12 pm 14

    They are Democrats who obviously are going to endorse a Democrat, and the only other choice is Hillary Clinton.

15. Ryan April 28th, 2008 at 7:56 pm 15

    Oh please. This shows how pathetic some in the conservative movement have got in recent years. They twist logic to the point that it ceases to be logic. The NC GOP showed how desperate and pathetic they are as a political organization because they are forced to use such faulty examples of logic. This is partially the reason I do not call myself a conservative anymore because the conservative movement has been hijacked by those not concerned with putting forth the conservative agenda but launching such pathetic examples of negative attacks.

16. Langley April 28th, 2008 at 8:11 pm 16

    Dude, “negative attacks,” are what the rantings that Rev. Wright calls “sermons” on Sunday mornings. Pointing out a question of judgment on Sen. Obama’s part (and if that’s not a question of judgment, I don’t know what is) for hanging out with this clown for so long, and candidates for office who endorse someone with such poor judgment, is more relevant than initially meets the eye.

17. Mike April 28th, 2008 at 8:16 pm 17

    Obama sat in church for many years and listened to this man rant and rave his nonsense. Obama clearly believed what this man was selling. If you support Barry Obama then you are supporting what he believes in as well.

    You can’t say that you like Obama, but not the racist crap he believes in. If a politician stated they liked Joe Stalin and wished he had led America as well, but didn’t agree with everything the guy did they would be rightly vilified.

    Obama is not Stalin, but endorsing either man (or any political leader) is endorsing the ideology each believes in.

18. Langley April 28th, 2008 at 8:29 pm 18

    Well, as I’ve said before, it either means that Obama believed what this man was selling or that he had to up his street cred (or “blackness”) to be involved in Illinois politics. Either way, it doesn’t speak well for him or any candidate who supports him.

19. Press 7 for Celtic April 28th, 2008 at 9:47 pm 19

    I think y’all are missing some of the NC GOP’s strategy here.

    Yes, linking the two Dem candidates for governor through Obama to Wright’s raving lunacy is tenuous at best. It’s almost like a political version of “Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon”. But the ad wasn’t really about the gubernatorial campaign. They threw that in as an afterthought to legitimize it as a “state” ad. It was really hit directly at Obama.

    Why attack Obama? Well, the most immediate reason is that North Carolina votes on May 6th. The party probably hopes that this ad will soften Obama up and allow Hillary to catch up to him. It won’t happen, of course, but think of it as a institutionalized form of Rush Limbaugh’s “Operation Chaos”.

    More distantly, if Obama is the nominee, N.C.’s high black population might put it in play in the general. This ad softens him up early so that McCain won’t have to.

    Oh, and don’t forget that the NC GOP is probably raking in cash from across the country thanks to the free airtime this ad has received. Pretty clever on their part, I must confess.

    As for the ad itself- the only thing racist about it was the hateful bigotry coming out of Rev. Wright’s pie-hole. If Barack Obama has a problem with it, he should have left that church long ago. Now he has to deal with the consequences of calling a raving racist hatemonger his “spiritual advisor”. Too bad for him.

20. Ryan April 28th, 2008 at 10:11 pm 20

    Interesting take on the ad. I have to say I did not think of it as a hidden attack on Obama not so much the candidates for governor.

    The real question is whether they are trying to soften him for McCain or to help lessen his margin of victory so Clinton will continue to fight on for longer.

21. Publius April 29th, 2008 at 1:03 am 21

    Again, what if one of your movement conservatives attended an evangelical church where the pastor made homophobic remarks? You people would be up in arms if the media railroaded him about this for weeks on end (this has now been going on for over a month).

22. chemistrydave April 29th, 2008 at 8:49 am 22

    Publius,
    It is going on right now, have you not heard the ongoing story about John Hagee and Mccain? The liberals are pushing that story as hard as can be, an Mccain never went to the guys church, just stood on a stage with him. Further, are you claiming that the media has never carried out an issue for far too long about a republican? That is an argument that even you would not try to make.

23. Michael C April 29th, 2008 at 9:33 am 23

    As it has not happened there is no need to comment on it.

24. chemistrydave April 29th, 2008 at 10:52 am 24

    Ironically, there is a big post up on DailyKos smearing McCain about the Hagee controversy.